Hello and welcome to the GZero World Podcast. This is where you can find extended versions of my show on public television.

I'm Ian Bremmer, and today we are looking inside the Pentagon's AI war machine and at how artificial intelligence is transforming the battlefield.

The U.S. Department of Defense, or the Department of War, if you're Donald Trump,

is the biggest bureaucracy in the U.S. government by personnel, and not long ago it was

resistant to such new technology.

That changed with Project Maven, a 2017 private public sector partnership that brought

artificial intelligence into the Pentagon.

And today, AI is helping the

United States military identify targets, prioritize strikes, and support operations from the Middle

East to Latin America. The Pentagon now calls itself AI first, with billions flowing into systems

that can analyze data and guide weapons with limited human input.

And that shift presents opportunities and risks.

AI can be fast.

It can also be wrong and wrong at scale.

In the fog of war, those mistakes can be the difference between life and death.

And the more autonomy these systems gain, the more distance there is between human judgment and lethal force.

Here to discuss all that and more is Bloomberg correspondent Katrina Manson,

whose new book, Project Maven, a Marine colonel, his team in the dawn of AI warfare, tells the story of how AI went from being a thorn in the military side to an indispensable

technology partner.

Let's get to it.

Katrina Manson, great to have you on the show.

We talk about AI a lot on the show, but not as much about the military uses.

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