From the historic campus of Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, where the good, the true, and the beautiful are taught, nurtured, and honored, this is the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, bringing the activity and education of the college to listeners across the country.

They wanted to make money and telling black potential customers that you'll be treated differently and worse is not a good way to make money.

So, you know, in free market capitalism, the most important color is green. And that is why

you see a divergence between what can go on in the government in terms of discrimination, where there is

no cost, and what goes on in the private sector. This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the

Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network.

That was Jason L. Riley, author of the new book, The Affirmative Action Myth, Why Blacks

Don't Need Racial Preferences to Succeed. We'll talk in-depth with Jason about that book

later on in today's program. First, we're joined by Dr. Brad Berzer. He is Professor of

History and Russell Amos Kirk Chair in American Studies here at Hillsdale College. Dr. Berzer,

thanks for joining us. Hey, Scott, always great talking to you. Thank you for having me.

Thank you for being here. We're going to spend some time today talking a bit about Ray Bradbury

and more so on his continued relevance today.

Sure.

You're a Bradbury fan. Where did you begin reading Bradbury and why did you find his work so worthy of your continued attention?

Yeah, I've never stopped liking him. I first encountered him. So I grew up in a household where reading was

always encouraged and all kinds of things. In fact, I look back now and I'm kind of shocked at

some of the things my mom handed me to read at the time. But in grade school, I don't remember

if it was in fourth or fifth grade, we started reading a

Ray Bradbury story about a girl on Venus who, and the story is that Venus is always cloudy,

but there's this one moment where the sun comes out every seven years or so, and it stops

raining. And this girl has seen this because

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