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exploration of that famous film and uses that film as a lens to understand America's troubled present.

Sarah, welcome.

Thank you so much.

So, Sarah, I said just before we started recording

that I read this book on my holidays

and it's rather startling cover and title gave me a few

sort of odd glances but but of course we are in a very, very strange time in America's political history.

But what your book perhaps helps us to understand is that the crisis of democracy of 2022 is something that has its roots deep in America's history.

Perhaps you could say a bit about that.

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