How A Hardened Green Beret Met Jesus Through Ancient Psychedelics
The Deep End With Lecrae
Lecrae
4.8 • 602 Ratings
🗓️ 12 June 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
In this deeply moving episode of The Deep End, I sit down with Tu Lam—the real-life Special Ops Green Beret whose story inspired one of Call of Duty's most iconic characters. From escaping wartime Vietnam on a fishing boat to enduring two decades of combat and battling addiction, Tu Lam's journey is as harrowing as it is hopeful. He shares how a chance encounter with "Amazing Grace" in Ranger School planted the first breadcrumb of God's mercy, and how a desperate walk with his dog led to an overwhelming encounter with Jesus that broke him and rebuilt him. Together we explore the cost of war—both physical and spiritual—and how faith can redeem even the darkest places.
Join us as we unpack what it means to fight for freedom, find forgiveness, and discover purpose beyond the battlefield. Don't miss this unforgettable conversation.
Let's go to the Deep End!
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| 0:00.0 | It was the spirit that told me to reach out to me. |
| 0:03.0 | This is my first time ever talking about Jesus and God openly. Up until now, it's, you're to Speckovsky. I want to hear the cool stories, you know? But God told me, I want you to change how you address the world these days. I want you to expose your wounds. I want you to glorify me. And I want you to start with the praise. If anybody anybody's played Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, my next guest was the most downloaded |
| 0:24.6 | character on the game. Special Ops, Green Beret, worked with the CIA. The list goes on and on. |
| 0:30.6 | We were going after the number one bad guys, the worst human beings, guys behind the planning, |
| 0:36.6 | the funding of the 9-11 tax around country. |
| 0:38.7 | Dictators and tribal leaders that execute their people. |
| 0:41.6 | The worst. |
| 0:42.3 | Russia will relive. |
| 0:43.4 | My whole career was worse. |
| 0:47.6 | Jesus? |
| 0:48.6 | Really? |
| 0:49.2 | I didn't believe in Jesus. |
| 0:50.4 | Why would he die for my sins? |
| 0:52.3 | I hated that concept. |
| 0:53.5 | You know, King Saul did wishcraft. |
| 0:55.0 | There was a lot of guys that took the back door to the spirit room. And I would say that's what I did. |
| 0:59.0 | And the aboga root was called the tree of knowledge from Africa that I took. |
| 1:03.0 | You're hearing some African teacher in Saudi spirit. You're hearing them. But what I found was that it says in the bible when you cast them out |
| 1:12.1 | they go to the dry places only return to find your house sweat and you know i was emptying and i was |
| 1:18.1 | emptying but it was always returning and it would return back stronger i searched in this physical |
| 1:23.8 | realm and every corner in the spiritual and And God knew I was looking for. |
| 1:31.3 | I do know people who do psychedelics, but they're trying to find God. |
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