Hi everyone, welcome back to Bad on Paper Podcast. I'm Becca Freeman and I'm Olivia Mentor.

And today we're continuing our How a Book Get's Made series and we're talking to Amanda

Bergeron who is an editor at Berkeley at Penguin Random House and Carly Fortune, the author

of Every Summer After. This interview was so fun. I don't know if you feel the same way

Becca. I felt like I could have talked to them for seven hours.

Absolutely. But before we talk to them, should we do some highs and lows?

Yes, let's start with the high. Yes. I want to hear all about your France trip.

Oh my gosh, so my highs, my France trip, I was supposed to be in France for nine days and

I'll tell you my low, which I think many of you probably know from Instagram and I ended

up being there a bit longer. But France was amazing. It was not my first international trip

since COVID, but it was like my first longer international trip. It was wonderful. The

weather was perfect while you were there. I've been to Paris many times so I didn't feel

the pressure to do touristy things. I hadn't been to Paris in 10 years. Paris feels so much

bigger than even New York or London. There were so many restaurants. There were so much

stuff. We were there for five nights and I did not even feel like we scratched the surface.

Really? Yeah. And you've been there before?

Yeah, I've been there. I think this is my fourth time.

What was your favorite day of the trip? Oh, I have two. One thing that we did, which

was unexpectedly a favorite, was we took this cheese class. My friend Maxi, her boss, had

said that they'd done it and it was like their favorite thing. So we took this cheese class.

It was very educational, but it was also like very heavy pours of wine, very informal,

and it was delicious, but it was also, I don't know, it was just a really cool experience.

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