Hello ladies and hello gentlemen, this is the Victor Davis Hansen show I'm Jack Fowler,

I'm the host, I'm a lucky man.

I get to talk to Victor Davis Hans and he is the star in the namesake of the show.

He's the Martin Ili Anderson senior fellow with the Hoover Institution and the William

Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College.

A lot to talk about today, you know, Victor, we can't help but talk a lot in the past about

the FBI and the Department of Justice and looks like we're going to have to do that.

Again, today a strange nexus of the FBI and Latin mass amongst other things.

So we'll get to those issues and more immigration, the massive cost of border madness, we'll

get to that start to begin to get to that right after these important messages.

We're back with the Victor Davis Hansen show.

So Victor, I'd like to let's if we might start talking about the Department of Justice

and the FBI first, I'd like to use as a just a jumping off my former colleague, friend,

you know, Andy McCarthy as a piece in the national review today on the, you know, the

elevenths, it's titled contempt charges should be just the start if FBI and DOJ officials

defy House subpoenas.

And at the end of this piece, he has a, he has a fiscal consideration if they, if they

do defy.

But defying subpoenas, Victor, we've talked about that in the past.

It seems like it's inappropriate, depending on your, inappropriate, if you're a Republican

or conservative, meaningless, if you happen to be a Democrat, the subpoena request that

have been issued by these House committees are being treated callously and Andy's word

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