This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stucats podcast.

I am grateful that Jamel Hill, a friend here, is coming in to talk to me about this Mike Vrable story because I can't, I can't, I need some genuine help here walking a line on somebody who's a friend of mine and,

and Jamel, thank you for being on with us.

And I hate to sound a little bit nervous, but I don't really want to talk about some of this stuff,

but I would like to learn.

And I'd like to talk about some of this stuff journalistically, because you have protected a standard for 30 years, and I just want

your help walking me through what's happened with this Vrabel story, because Diana

Rusini had to, or chose to resign from the athletic yesterday, and the New York Times has a

standard that the NFL doesn't have,

that the president of the United States doesn't have. And so I want you to walk me

journalistically through a standard that we're trying to protect that seems to be different

for different people. Yeah, I would say that that standard is different across our business,

period. You know, I kind of made this point on social media yesterday is, well,

I realized the saliciousness and the possibility or the thought of a reporter and a well-respected

head coach having an affair is very tantalizing for people. This is a headline that just grabs

people and a lot of people will pay attention to.

But if you understand the nature, and I'm not saying all insiders, I like this.

So I certainly don't want to paint them with a bad brush.

But we have definitely seen insiders engage in what would be pretty egregious journalistic behavior that has nothing to do within a fair and they're fully

employed. And, you know, I'm not trying to call anybody out or call anybody out or, you know,

certainly necessarily throw stones. But, I mean, we all saw the story where Adam Schaefter appeared to be showing an entire story, you know, to an NFL general manager to get his approval.

And I don't, you know, I think in every journalism school in the country, that's considered to be egregious, journalistically, to be showing sources your story and getting their approval.

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