This is CBS I In The World, Hotel Mars Episode n. I'm John Bachelorette with David Livingston,

my colleague and co-host and co-pilot. And we're headed to the moon and beyond, the moon

and Mars. Starship, super heavy, have demonstrated the ability to lift an enormous amount of weight

to Earth orbit and onto lunar orbit, enough weight so that you can imagine a colony of human beings,

especially on the south pole of the moon. You can imagine that sometime in the next two decades.

You can project a little and imagine a similar feat in Mars, perhaps in the next five decades

or century. In any event, anticipating all this is law. Law from Earth applied to celestial bodies.

And I don't rule out asteroids. David Livingston and I welcome Laura Montgomery, who is a principle

in the firm ground-based space matters. This is space law and policy. And we begin with the

Artemis Accords, a document that's been signed by many nations, always adding new nations to

explicate what happens when mankind reaches the surface of the moon. Is it possible to claim,

as the explorers did in the 1516th and 17th century, possession for a sovereign state?

Laura, a very good evening to you. Thank you for this. The answer to that question is no. However,

it is not all the Artemis Accords we must attend. So I give you an example. The south pole of the

moon is said to be desirable for the possibility that you can manufacture water there. That would

help greatly in sustaining a colony and also creating fuel. Right now, the Artemis Accords are

non-binding multilateral arrangement. There is the outer space treaty, there is the moon treaty,

all of those things together. Do they describe an event sometime in the next 20 years of a Chinese

space program on the south pole, an American space program on the south pole, a Russian space

program? Why not on the south pole? Do the arrangements so far describe how those three

or two states will work together or not? Good evening to you. Good evening, John, and thank you

very much for having me here. I really appreciate it. So we've got a whole bunch of documents here

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