Hello, hello, it's Brooke DeVard and you're listening to the Naked Beauty podcast.

I am really excited for today's conversation.

It's more of a conversation than an interview.

If you've listened to the podcast, you know Darian, she is an incredible beauty journalist.

She's been on before if you want to get her whole story.

I definitely recommend listening to her solo episode.

She is just one of those deep thinkers, someone that is always thinking about beauty at the

intersection of culture and politics.

And I feel like we're in a really interesting space with beauty right now.

I've been thinking a lot about what it means to have beauty beyond the male gaze.

Doja Cat, if you missed it, showed up to Paris Fashion makes you into the Scapper Relie

Show.

She was covered in red crystals, a look that took five hours by the legendary Pat McGrath.

Also just what a pleasure to watch Pat McGrath create her art.

Like I just think about how we are alive in this time where like the greatest makeup

artist of all time is just putting together these really incredible looks that push the

boundaries of makeup as just a tool to look like your most gorgeous, glowy self and

really pushing makeup into an art form.

All of that aside, people criticized the look because they were like, Doja Cat doesn't

have eyelashes on where the lashes, she said, you want lashes, I'll give you lashes.

And then she showed up to the Victor and Ralph Coutorshow the following day with lashes

for eyebrows and like a little mini lash mustache and go T hilarious, definitely Google the

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