Hey with pod listeners before we get into today's episode I'm excited to share that we are

taking with pod on the road again the first time since the pandemic I'm going to be the

house of blues on Monday October 9th in Chicago I'll be in Philadelphia the film or theater

on Monday October 16th in New York City at the town hall on Sunday November 12th you

can buy tickets online at msnbc.com slash with pod tour join us in person for some

fascinating conversations with amazing guests tickets are going to go fast so buy

yours today at msnbc.com slash with pod tour can't wait to see you in the live

audience this fall one note I should make before we get into this conversation

we're going to talk about the writers guild and actors strike the group they're

striking against which is the alliance motion picture and television producers

includes msnbc universal who of course are my employer and who produces this podcast

so pull this closure there this sort of depressing way to put it is of course

that when you're at the bottom any uptick is you know relatively significant

because you're starting at zero and that it and unfortunately that is how I

often try to put this current moment in perspective but that isn't to say

that it's not significant right you need what we're having now if we ever want

to get anywhere bigger and so I would say you know I try not to think of it as

far as like getting back to the sixties or seventies because I think things

will just look different or organizing in the present does look different you

know whether we're talking about what issues are kind of central you know often

discrimination at work is kind of key in a way that it might not have been in

the forties things like that the labor movement might look different but as

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