This program is sponsored by the Codley Foundation based in Los Angeles, California.

The Codley Foundation is dedicated to advancing science for the benefit of humanity.

I'm Alan Olga and this is Clear and Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

If I have a student or a friend or someone in a cafe say I'm afraid of climate change,

I don't know what's going to happen.

I have to be honest and say I'm a scientist who's worked on this for decades and I don't

know what's going to happen either.

Here are the things that I'm worried about and try to pass on information with humility

and with honesty and trust that the person you're talking to knows best how to use that

information in their own lives.

That's Hope Jaron, the author of the best-selling memoir Lab Girl.

Hope's ability to be both clear and vivid is focused now on a crisis we're all going

to have to deal with one way or another.

Our new book is called The Story of More and is the tale of how the huge increase in

consumption of energy, food and material goods by our generation has left a climate crisis

for generations to come and she shows us a path forward and what you and I and everyone

else can do to hold that crisis back.

I'm so glad we can be talking again.

We had a wonderful conversation a year or two ago and you really brought me closer to

the plants in my life because one of the great hallmarks of what you do is to talk about

things that could be dense but you do it in such a personal way that you include us

no matter who we are no matter what we've studied or learned so far.

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