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Welcome to Holy Smoke, the Spectator's Religion podcast.

I'm Damien Thompson.

My guest today is the Reverend Fergus Butler Gary,

Anglican priest, writer and author of an engrossing new book called 12 churches,

an unlikely history of the buildings that made Christianity.

Now, Fergus, you'll be familiar to many spectator readers for the pieces who's written for us.

You've also just married our

brilliant Madeleine Grant. Many congratulations to both of you for that. Unlakely is right. It's a good

choice of words. That's what made the book so interesting. Let me start by quickly reading out

the list of the 12 churches that you've chosen, because it's

quite an assortment and a very clever one. The church from the nativity in Bethlehem,

St. Peter's in Rome, Iosophia in Istanbul, formerly Constantinople, formerly Byzantium, Canterbury Cathedral, Mount Athos,

Bette Golgotha in Lallabella, Ethiopia, the Templar de Las Americas in the Dominican Republic,

Kirishitan Hokura in Kasuga, Japan, the site of the first meeting house in Salem, Massachusetts,

Christ Church, Zanzibar, Tanzania, 16th Street Baptist Church, Birmingham, Alabama, and Canaan

Land in Ota, Nigeria. Each church tells a story, as you'd expect. But what I like about the book is that

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