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🗓️ 24 December 2025
⏱️ 21 minutes
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Anglican author The Rev'd Fergus Butler-Gallie, Catholic priest Fr Alexander Lucie-Smith and Evangelical commentator Fleur Meston join Damian Thompson to reflect on 2025. They discuss Pope Leo XIV's leadership so far, the choice of Dame Sarah Mullally as Archbishop of Canterbury and why Christianity has been coopted by the far right. Plus, was the 'quiet revival' of Church-going the start of a trend – or just a blip?
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| 0:35.6 | Welcome to Holy Smoke, the Spectator's Religion podcast. I'm Damien Thompson. |
| 0:45.4 | Today, we're taking a look back at what has been an extremely surprising, even transformative year for religion in the West, especially Christianity. |
| 0:56.0 | I'm joined by Father Alexander Lucy Smith, Catholic parish priest, moral theologian, |
| 1:02.6 | author of very dark crime novels set in Sicily, Fleur Meston, journalist, and evangelical Christian, and the Reverend Fergus, butler |
| 1:15.0 | Galley, best-selling author, and Anglican priest. |
| 1:19.9 | So we're religiously diverse up to a point. |
| 1:23.6 | I think we can perhaps agree that the biggest event was that on the day after Easter Sunday, |
| 1:29.5 | Pope Francis died. It wasn't unexpected, indeed. It had been anticipated with varying degrees of |
| 1:37.4 | apprehension for several months. And his successor was a surprise, even though he had been on a short list of frontrunners |
| 1:45.1 | by virtue of holding a very senior position in the Vatican, and also he enjoyed massive support |
| 1:51.7 | among Latin Americans. |
| 1:53.2 | But Robert Francis Prevost, a cardinal for only two years, was a North American, a white-sox fan |
| 2:00.0 | who only a few months earlier had been photographed |
| 2:02.5 | in a Chicago pizza restaurant dressed in civilian clothes. So it's hard to sum up, hopefully, |
| 2:09.4 | in a few words. He has the reputation of being theoretically moderately moderate, politically, |
| 2:14.5 | much more left-wing than his MAGA supporting older brother, |
| 2:17.9 | which wouldn't be difficult, I gather. |
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