Hello, welcome. I'm delighted today to be joined by the brilliant Omar Bartov, who's the Samuel Peacear Professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Brown University, a very accomplished scholar, who's been writing a lot ever since on the horrors which have

enveloped Scalsa in Israel since the 7th of October. Oh yeah hello first, great to see you, how you do in these difficult times?

I just want to start by just the question of genocide, which is a live discussion when it comes to what's happening in Gaza.

I interviewed Razzi Gal who I know you know who's an associate professor of

genocide in Holocaust studies who thinks that this is a textbook genocide.

And I suppose the argument he makes is that was rare for intent to be so openly stated,

rhetoric like quoting

genocidal passages about Amalek in the Bible

when which the Israelites are commanded to kill all men, women, children,

babies, livestock.

You know, there are no innocence in Gaza and the

the two million Nazis in the West Bank. Just you know, it's rare in these sorts of

horrors for that kind of intent to be said.

It's normally covered up in other way.

So I'm just interested what your thoughts are on that,

as another genocide scholar on the question of genocide.

So look, first, thanks for having me. I wrote a few weeks ago already on my sense that there was a danger of genocide occurring in Gaza.

And I mentioned the fact that peculiarly, if you like like Israeli political and military leaders people with

executive power had been making statements as of October 7th right at the

beginning of this, that had, that echoed

genocide or intent. We should wipe them out, there are human animals, we should flatten Gaza, we should remove the population

from Gaza and so forth.

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