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Holding Our Ground: Voices and Strategies Against Self-Indigenization A Hybrid Symposium (Panel 3)

The Red Nation Podcast

The Red Nation

History, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 25 May 2026

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Producer's note: We are releasing the audio edition of one panel of the conference TRN Podcast host Nick Estes helped organize. You can watch the video edition on The Red Nation Podcast YouTube channel. We had some technical difficulties at the beginning of this panel so the recording start shortly after Nick began his introduction. Our apologies!


Symposium Introduction & Framing - Self-indigenization as a Global Problem: Towards Institutional Verification Procedures

Panel 3: Odanak Abenaki Tribal Council on Self-Indigenization in Vermont
 

ModeratorNick Estes (Lower Brule Sioux Tribe), Associate Professor of American Indian Studies, University of Minnesota

Panelists:

  • Daniel G. Nolett (Abenaki of Odanak), Executive Director, Odanak Abenaki Tribal Council, "Overview of Abenaki History and Families" 

  • Jacques T. Watso (Abenaki of Odanak), Elected Councillor, Abenaki Abenaki Tribal Council, "Origins of Vermont 'Abenaki' State Recognition"

  • Tim de la Bruere (Abenaki of Odanak), Vermont Resident, "A Vermont View of the Fake Abenaki Tribes"

  • Suzie O'Bomsawin (Abenaki of Odanak), Assistant Executive Director, Odanak Abenaki Tribal Council, "Recent Abenaki Political and Legal Strategies"

  • Darryl Leroux, Associate Professor, School of Political Studies, University of Ottawa, "The Harms of Academic Pretendians: Analyzing Lisa Brooks' Work Legitimizing the Fake Abenaki"

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Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm I'm University campus was a person who claimed to be from the Oglala Sioux tribe.

0:34.6

And still to this day actually claims to be from the Oglalasu tribe.

0:39.6

But I was a minor and I was a child and I remember this person asking us very intimate

0:45.8

questions about our experiences as indigenous youth who went through the public school system

0:50.9

or who had went through the reservation school system.

0:53.2

And so I want to think about this in a broad kind of holistic context and not to just say

0:58.0

that this is a problem at the university level, but it's also a problem that is affecting

1:03.0

our children as well because a lot of these people are in different institutions

1:09.0

at various sort of educational levels.

1:11.6

So without further ado, I want to introduce our esteemed panelists.

1:16.6

These panelists are very well prepared.

1:19.6

They're all doing individual presentations, so there'll be minimal sort of Q&A from me in response.

1:25.6

So I'm just going to introduce them in the order that they are speaking, and I'll introduce

1:31.6

the talk, the title of their talk that they will be giving.

1:34.5

So the first is Daniel G. Nolet, who's executive director of Odenak Abanaki Tribal Council.

1:41.8

His presentation is titled Overview of Abanaki History and Families.

1:47.0

The second is Jacques Watso, elected counselor Odinaki,

1:53.0

or Odinak Abanaki Tribal Council.

1:55.0

His talk is Origins of Vermont, quote,

1:58.0

Abanaki tribes, and quote, and state recognition.

2:03.0

The third is Tim Dula Bure, my friend to my French, who is a Vermont resident and

2:10.1

Odinac Abanaki citizen.

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