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Hi, everyone. I'm Nikolai Tangen, the CEO of the Norwegian Southern Wealth Fund.

And today, I'm in really great company with one of my favorite people, Jeff Garrett.

Now, Jeff is the dean of the University of Southern California,

Marshall School of Business, and has an incredible track record. And I know him from when he was

the dean at the Wharton School. Actually, he was the first person I called when I got the job

in the Norwegian Southern Welfand to ask him, you know, what am I going to do? Also, Jeff has held very

important roles at Oxford, Stanford and Yale. So, Jeff, big welcome.

Hi, Nikolai. It's great to be on with you. What's the number one skill a leader needs today?

So, you know, I think the world of leadership is changing a lot.

You know, for me, maybe it's a bit glib, but I would say we used to think about leaders as

heroes and now we need to think about leaders as humans.

So I think my answer would be to be more human.

Now, the increased complexity you are seeing in the world now,

how does that change the leadership role? Everything is much harder, right? And if you think about

that, you know, I think what we're saying these days is that agility has become a very important skill,

right?

You can't just be on some standard operating procedures pathway because the world can change

in an instant.

So then that, of course, just begs the question, how do you develop agility?

And for me, you know, there are two C words that matter a lot.

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