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The Trial

High School Stabbing - ‘There was a name’

The Trial

The Crime Desk

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4.21.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing arguments from the defence and prosecution before the jury retire to consider their verdicts.


Prosecutor Richard Thyne KC said the defendant did not suffer from a loss of self-control when he stabbed Harvey Willgoose, but displayed purposeful and controlled aggression as an act of retribution.


Gul Nawaz Hussain KC, for the defence, said the evidence clearly showed the defendant was in intense fear in the weeks leading up to the attack - and Harvey was simply the final straw that broke him.


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0:00.0

Welcome to the trial podcast, High School Stabbing. I'm Caroline Cheatham. And I'm Jack Hardy.

0:06.0

Today we bring you the closing arguments of the prosecution and the defence barristers as they make their case for the final time to the jury.

0:15.0

The prosecutor Richard Thine, Casey, told the jury that the defendant was displaying purposeful and controlled aggression when he stabbed

0:21.7

Harvey as an act of retribution and he did not suffer from a loss of control. He said the fact the

0:27.3

defendant was earlier seen acting like he had a knife when he squared up to Harvey meant his

0:33.0

whole account came tumbling down. But defense barrister Goul Noise Hussain, Casey, said the evidence clearly showed

0:39.8

the defendant was in intense fear in the weeks leading up to the attack,

0:43.2

the victim of relentless bullying and racist abuse by a boy known only as pupillet,

0:48.0

and Harvey was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.

0:51.3

We'll be back in a second.

1:09.4

Thank you. the camel's back. We'll be back in a second. It's with great sadness that I share with you today.

1:12.6

A teenager has died following a stabbing at a Sheffield school earlier today.

1:16.6

A young boy has gone to school and has returned home.

1:20.6

Fifteen-year-old Harvey Wilgoose. He was attacked at school in Sheffield at lunchtime and he died a short time later.

1:26.6

The death of Harvey Wilgoose in a school in Sheffield earlier this year shocked the nation.

1:32.8

Harvey was 15 when he was stabbed at All Saints Catholic High School on February 3rd.

1:38.3

A 15-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

1:42.3

Hundreds of mourners attended his funeral at Sheffield Cathedral

1:45.5

and the service was also broadcast on a big screen outside the building.

1:50.7

Some mourners wore t-shirts with pictures of Harvey and anti-knife crime slogans.

1:56.0

And since his death, his parents, Caroline and Mark, have campaigned against knife crime.

2:01.9

I think we don't even really realise how serious it is with how many kids are carrying weapons into school.

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