High School Stabbing - The Intermediary

The Trial

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🗓️ 12 August 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose.

Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the trial podcast High School Stabbing. I'm Caroline Cheatham.
0:04.7	And I'm Jack Hardy.
0:06.1	Today we have an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as what's called an intermediary for the boy who was convicted last week of murdering Harvey Wilgoose.
0:16.5	We'll be talking about how she had a direct influence on how this particular trial unfolded at Sheffield Crown Court,
0:22.0	as well as the role intermediaries play in our court system generally.
0:25.3	We'll be back in a second. It is with great sadness that I share with you today.
0:48.0	A teenager has died following a stabbing at a Sheffield school earlier today.
0:52.2	A young boy has gone to school and hasn't returned home.
0:55.6	Fifteen-year-old Harvey Wilgoose.
0:57.3	He was attacked at school in Sheffield at lunchtime, and he died a short time later.
1:02.1	The death of Harvey Wilgoose in a school in Sheffield earlier this year shocked the nation.
1:07.6	Harvey was 15 when he was stabbed at All Saints Catholic High School on February
1:12.5	the 3rd. A 15-year-old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder. Hundreds of mourners
1:18.1	attended his funeral at Sheffield Cathedral and the service was also broadcast on a big screen
1:23.7	outside the building. Some mourners wore t-shirts with pictures of Harvey and anti-knife
1:29.9	crime slogans and since his death, his parents Caroline and Mark have campaigned against knife
1:36.4	crime. I think we don't even really realise how serious it is with how many kids are carrying
1:42.6	weapons into school.
1:44.9	Harvey was a huge football fan and Sheffield United were described as the great love of his life.
1:52.4	Another 15-year-old boy who can't be named has admitted manslaughter,
1:56.9	but he's now on trial for murder and the trial podcast will be covering the case.
2:01.6	Guilty to the manslaughter of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose, but not to murder.
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