So we just finished up with Matthew Crawford. Leland, what do you think?

I thought it was great. Matt is a, Matthew, actually, is a wealth of information, has an incredible background,

and has been doing work that I haven't seen anybody else parallel. So I hope people will listen to it,

enjoy it and share it widely. Yeah, and I actually should be calling you Dr. Leland, I guess,

as well. So yeah, thank you for introducing me to Matthew. He actually taught me a bunch. He's like a walking encyclopedia. I was so

impressed. So it was very cool. I hope you guys enjoy the the epic health freedom for humanity podcast.

We have a special guest today who is Matthew Crawford.

And my co-host is here, Dr. Leland Stillman, and I am your other host, Dr. Jess Petros.

Thank you so much for joining us, Matthew.

Thank you.

Yeah, of course.

Leland, I'm going to let you start off with the first question with Matthew.

Yeah, so for people who don't know, Matthew writes the rounding the earth substack blog, which I found, I don't know if it was six months a year ago. I can't even remember.

I don't even know when you started talking and writing about the things I was reading about

the time, which was all things pandemic. And really trying to poke holes in the hypothesis that

lockdowns are good, masks work, vaccines are important and effective and safe and so on and so forth,

because I think as people care about science and medicine and safe and so on and so forth, because I think

as people who care about science and medicine and doing no harm, it's very important to really

rigorously test your hypotheses as ruthlessly as possible. And you were publishing stuff that I wasn't

seeing the like of coming out anywhere else, let alone the peer-reviewed academic literature where, you know, people

I know inside academia are very clear with me that they're not allowed to ask certain questions.

I've gotten requests for vaccine exemptions from a CDC employee, had an exemption request from

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