Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.2 • 3.4K Ratings

🗓️ 10 August 2021

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Nilay Patel is joined by Riana Pfefferkorn and Jennifer King to talk about Apple's new child safety features. Riana and Jen are both researchers at Stanford and between the two of them have expertise in encryption policies and consumer privacy issues. Guest Bio: Riana Pfefferkorn: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/riana-pfefferkorn Jennifer King: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/jen-king Links: Apple reveals new efforts to fight child abuse imagery: https://www.theverge.com/e/22375762 WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan: https://www.theverge.com/e/22377406 Apple pushes back against child abuse scanning concerns in new FAQ: https://www.theverge.com/e/22380422 Apple's Plan to "Think Different" About Encryption Opens a Backdoor to Your Private Life: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-different-about-encryption-opens-backdoor-your-private-life Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/22381595 Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today’s episode was produced by Creighton DeSimone, Alexander Charles Adams, and Andrew Marino. And we are edited by Callie Wright. Our music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:34.8	Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Hypatel, Editor and Chief of the Verge and
0:38.8	Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today's episode is
0:43.8	about trying to solve a very big problem with a very big idea and the trade-offs
0:49.1	that come with it. Here's the situation. Last week, Apple, without very much
0:54.6	warning at all, announced a new set of tools built into the iPhone designed to
0:59.2	protect children from abuse. Siri will now offer resources to people who ask for
1:04.2	child abuse material or ask how to report it. I message will now flag nude,
1:08.9	sent, or received by kids under 13 and alert their parents. An image is backed
1:14.1	up to iCloud photos will now be matched against a database of known child sexual
1:18.7	abuse material or CSAM. And reported to the National Center for Missing and
1:23.7	Exploited Children if more than a certain number of images match. And here's the
1:28.7	big idea. That matching process doesn't just happen in the clap. Part of it
1:33.3	happens locally on your phone. Now for better or worse, we've gotten used to our
1:38.7	content being scanned and moderated in the clap, especially when it's shared.
1:43.4	Facebook and Instagram scan everything that's shared on their platforms and
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