Here’s how the UK joins the EU and sooner than you think
The Two Matts
The New World
4.2 • 577 Ratings
🗓️ 26 March 2026
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
The Matts open with a war update - the signals from Washington point to an escalation which will be devastating for the world, yet the off-ramp (as it apparently must be called) is difficult to divine.
In part two they discuss what seems to be an inevitable movement towards rejoining the EU. Labour are headed towards the position already fully asserted by the Greens and Lib Dems - that Brexit was a catastrophe and needs to be undone. The Matts argue it’s not a case of Rejoin - but Join. Joining what, though? That’s the interesting, most challenging question in European politics today. Enjoy!
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| 0:00.0 | Sadiq Khan said, Labour should make every effort it can to get back into the single market and the customs union. |
| 0:08.8 | And it should put in its manifesto for the next election that a vote for Labour is a vote to rejoin the European Union. |
| 0:16.2 | Bravo. |
| 0:18.6 | The Europe we left no longer exists. The world in which we left the European Union no longer exists. |
| 0:21.3 | The world in which we left the European Union no longer exists. |
| 0:25.4 | To a certain extent, Brexit and more dramatically, the election of Trump in 2016, have transformed the world. |
| 0:33.7 | Listen, the idea that, you know, like 15 years ago, |
| 0:40.0 | where you could just move completely with impunity throughout Europe, |
| 0:43.8 | that's gone already, you know. |
| 0:47.5 | Hello and happy Thursday. |
| 0:49.5 | Happy Thursday, one and all. |
| 0:51.4 | This is the two Matt's podcast brought to you by the subscribers of the |
| 0:54.6 | New World magazine. Do join them. Matt, we're going to talk about, we're going to talk about |
| 0:59.7 | Europe in the second half. Yes. And because the thesis being that it's increasingly |
| 1:06.7 | plausible, if not inevitable, that the UK will try and rejoin. But the question is, what will it join? |
| 1:13.9 | Or as you said in your piece, say rightly, join. Join rather than rejoin. Yeah. So there's a very |
| 1:20.4 | interesting conversation to be had, I think, which will be an ongoing conversation about... |
| 1:25.1 | Yeah, massive. You know, and it's obviously, it's huge for us and it's huge for our listeners. |
| 1:29.7 | But the more pressing news is this rumbling fiasco in the Middle East, isn't it? |
| 1:37.4 | Yes, it is. And I think that the reason to do them in that sequence is because, in a sense, |
| 1:43.2 | so much of what's happening now and the |
| 1:45.2 | upheaval and the changes in the sort of hour by hour changes in what we consider the global |
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