You're listening to a podcast from Meaning of Life TV.

Hi, David.

Hello.

How are you?

I'm good.

How are you doing?

Pull it off, I think.

Okay.

That's all we can ask for in this world.

Well, I can ask for a great deal more if you put your mind to it. Oh, maybe that's been my mistake. I just need to ask? Yeah, well, no, I don't do anything that you'll get what you ask for, but you can ask for a lot. You can ask. Okay, well, that's some consolation. Let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright. This is the right show available on both streaming video

and via audio podcast.

You're a day. Okay, well, that's some consolation. Let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright.

This is the right show available on both streaming video and via audio podcast.

You're David Bentley Hart, very well-known theologian, very prolific theologian.

And you've written a book called That All Shall Be Saved, Heaven, Hell hell, and universal salvation, in which you bring

good news to us all, which is that none of us, none of us, not me, not even Sam Harris,

is going to hell. Is that, that is your view, right? Well, I definitely don't believe in an eternal hell, no.

I prefer to think of myself as a scholar of religious studies, by the way, than theologian.

And there are a lot of people who prefer, I call myself that as well.

But, yeah, the book is about Christian universalism, about not only its history, but it's logic.

But principally, it's a philosophical argument that's negative in form.

I'm afraid I don't know if it brings good news, but the claim it does make is that if Christian claims, classical Christian

...