everybody welcome to our true podcast again we always appreciate you supporting people

to support us we can keep doing this thing and we're open to guest suggestions contact

to doctoru.com if you want to suggest somebody i enjoy doing this podcast and i hope you guys

enjoy it too don't forget though the adam and i are still doing something regularly at adam and

dr drew show and then i do a streaming show Tuesday wednesday and thursday at three o'clock

pacific time my wife produced that one and we are talking to primarily all the people that have been canceled or

marginalized during COVID. I immediately have an instinct to go talk to people that have been

some, they must have something to say if they have so many people are making it their priority to

silence them. And lo and behold, I've learned something from all of them. And don't forget, also,

after dark about your mom's house. But to that point about me going after people that have been

attacked or marginalized in any way, Heather McDonald is here. She is the Thomas W. Smith fellow

at the Manhattan Institute.

She's contributing editor at City Journal, New York Times bestselling author.

She has written in Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, New York Times, L.A. Time, New Republic, New Criterion.

And the newest book is when race trumps merit.

Other books include The Elephant in the elephant in the room dysfunctional inner city culture

and let's see did i miss any of them uh the pursuit of equity sacrifices excellence welcome

hether mcdonald thank you for being here well thank you dr drew if i can just clarify

dysfunctional inner city pathologies is not the title of the book. That's a description of what I'm actually, the truth that I'm broaching in the way.

In the elephant in the room. Got it. Because they put it on here as something like as it were a tub subtitle. All right. So let's talk. And by the way,

please do not confuse Heather McDonald with my friend, Heather McDonald, who's a comedian.

This is a very different Heather McDonald.

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