Hey, now welcome, Dr. Podcast. We appreciate you guys being here. As I keep saying, we've

just so lucky to have great guests and we just continue with the hit parade. Gary Marcus

is with us today. Gary Marcus is a cognitive psychologist. He's a cognitive scientist, author,

serial entrepreneur. He is a human language development, cognitive neuroscience,

researcher. He is an emeritus professor of psychology and neuroscience at NYU.

Five books, The Birth of the Mind, Guitar Zero, The Algebraic Mind, and I hope I'm pronouncing

correctly Cluj, which is the one where I think I fell in love with Gary Marcus. I think that's

what that happened to me. You could follow his substack, GaryMarcus.substack.com. He is asking us

all you listeners to swing by his new podcast, Humans versus Machines, essentially about

AI. We're going to talk about some of this. I see it at apple.com. I imagine, Gary, it's wherever

you get your podcast. Is that accurate? Exactly. Fair enough. Check it out, everyone. Please do

check out that podcast. You'll get a little taste of it today. So I've never been more in need of

cognitive scientists than this present historical moment. Can you understand why I would say that?

I mean, I guess there's a lot of reasons we might need cognitive scientists now.

Ranging from, we might want to build AI that is more informed by, let's say, a human perspective

to thinking about how cognitive scientists could help us with the deluge of misinformation,

which AI will be partly responsible. We might think about the pathology of certain

presidential candidates and our response to them. And I have never seen anything like COVID. That

was a astonishing experience for me. All the different cognitive distortions that almost everybody

maintained it, whatever tribe they were in. They used quite a lot of examples of motivated

reasoning and confirmation bias and reasoning from conclusion. Just it was just on full display.

And yet, there seemed to have been no acknowledgement of that. Did you notice that? I

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