Hi, welcome back to the Oritz Podcast.

I'm your host, Lawrence Krause again.

When I gave my introduction to Heather McDonald,

I pointed out that we updated our earlier discussion

with a new discussion we had

this week. And as happens, that new discussion ended up being almost as long as the original

one. It was important because we brought up to date a whole variety of things that have

happened since we last talk, everything from George Floyd to

critical race theory to what's going on in academia and in the current times regarding censorship.

And the discussion was interesting.

We continue to disagree on a number of points.

But once again, that's important that we can have that discussion.

And the fact that some of the ideas that we're discussed will provoke or offend is something that I'm not going to apologize for.

It's the kind of discussion that needs to be had.

People could decide if they disagree or not, but without having those kind of discussions,

we can't really examine our own ideas. So with no further ado, part two of my discussion

with Heather McDonald. Hi there. And welcome back, Heather. And thank you for agreeing to

talk to me one more time.

It's been a long time, but it's been an amazing time in the sense that I just listened to our

original discussion, which is now almost a year and a half old, I think. And it was amazingly

prescient in many ways. In fact, I was dubious.

There were things I was dubious about, which I've since now written about because I've gotten

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