Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary, this week I spoke with Heather Haying and Brett

Weinstein.

Heather's an evolutionary biologist and Brett served as a professor of biology at Evergreen

State College.

They host a Dark Horse podcast on their latest book, A Hunter Gavras Guide to the 21st

Century Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life is out now.

Now we know that 20% of you are going to try and speed off right now.

That's amazing that it's only 20.

Because you want to get to the proper podcast where Rust is being deep.

So 80% of you we know from statistics will remain for this little bit of chat between

me and Jen.

So I'm just going to tell you this chat I'll only go out five minutes between me and Jen

and the conversation between me, Heather and Brett is a good conversation and I talk as

much as I can.

I try to see what values can be harvested from their book and from their areas of expertise

and study.

Of course we talk about mythology and spiritual beliefs.

You know, they can't both are pretty hard and atheist as far as I can gather.

But I feel like the point that I continually raise, you can only demonstrate a kind of

nihilistic or not even nihilistic or sort of a selfish gene style, our purposes reproduction

and survival.

If you discount areas of being and experience that point to other goals, by which I mean,

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