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HEATED DEBATE: Is Israel The REAL Terror State? Ep. 260 | Pt. 1

Mike Drop

Mike Ritland

Society & Culture, Personal Journals, Documentary, Politics, News

4.96.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 October 2025

⏱️ 106 minutes

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Summary

On this episode of the Mike Drop Podcast, Mike Ritland hosts Alan Shebaro, a former Green Beret sniper, 5th-degree jiu-jitsu black belt, and We Defy Foundation founder, supporting veterans with jiu-jitsu scholarships. Alan opens with a fiery take, branding Israel a "terrorist state" for displacing Palestinians and dismissing the "unprovoked" October attack narrative as a cover for decades of occupation. He challenges theological land claims, arguing ancient entitlements don’t justify modern evictions, reflecting on both sides’ fierce convictions. Alan shares his journey from a military brat in Europe and the Middle East to enlisting post-9/11, surviving the grueling SF Q-course, and enduring three intense Iraq deployments. His initial pride in "liberating the oppressed" soured as he questioned the trillions spent and lives lost for little gain, paralleling his critique of colonial conflicts like Israel-Palestine. Now in Vietnam, he’s the top-ranked jiu-jitsu practitioner, finding solace on the mat. Expect raw, unfiltered takes as Alan and Mike explore geopolitics, stoicism, and hypotheticals like facing ancient warriors. From blind patriotism to brutal honesty, Alan exposes the thin line between duty and delusion, shaped by a life of combat and reflection. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Israel's a terrorist state, and they've been doing this since they got there, displacing them, and raiding the homes and evicting them.

0:22.6

I never was really that much of a fan of Israel,

0:26.6

but I wasn't outspoken or against them either,

0:29.6

until after what happened in October.

0:32.6

The one thing that stood out to me was that I kept hearing an unprovoked attack.

0:36.6

I kept repeating the same thing,

0:37.9

unprovoked, unprovoked. Something off there. And so right away I started to kind of, like,

0:42.5

diving into it, the more I started finding out, I was like, holy f***. How could I have been like so blind to this?

0:48.0

The amount of atrocities that I've been committed by Israel since even before its inception,

0:52.5

it's literally a full-on military occupation, like,

0:55.0

and just constant. They use the excuse of Jerusalem as a holy land, and we can use the theological

1:02.0

right that will give us basically the green light to be able to go and colonize Jerusalem

1:07.5

in Palestine. To me, that's kind of the I would say the crux of

1:12.4

of where the problem stems from is that both sides feel equally passionate that

1:17.6

they're entitled to that piece of property. Except one's been living there for

1:21.3

hundreds of years and well someone from Poland comes out there and says 2,000 years

1:25.5

go at what point time is a theological argument actually valid for dispossessing someone's home?

1:30.3

Yeah, I mean, to me, I don't know that there's a right answer of that because it's like...

1:35.3

What are you think it is?

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