Donald Trump's criminal defense lawyer in the Georgia case. Drew Findling joins me now. Thanks for being here.

Thank you, Ari. Good being here. Absolutely. Let's start with this. There have been no charges in this case against Donald Trump. There is no Trump case criminally in Georgia. Why file this new motion and this new request at all?

So, Ari, we, we, as you know, for eight months, you didn't hear anything from us.

A lot of lawyers may have given press conferences every week, every month.

We did nothing.

We sat idly by, as you know, there was no subpoena or even request for our client to appear.

We became public when we heard from

the foreperson. We were always suspicious of things that we observed. Of course, the judge

declaring that there was an actual and untenable conflict of the district attorney and one

of the important witnesses, our targets, alleged targets, the lieutenant governor,

we were like, that's a problem because normally, as you know, when there's an actual conflict,

the prosecutor's office is off everybody's case. So we were concerned there. We were concerned

about a flippant attitude towards people asserting their Fifth Amendment rights. And of course,

the fact that most of us intellectually realized that this was only a civil grand jury, but we sat by, didn't say anything,

until the four-person spoke. And then she kind of gave us a lens into what we were suspicious

of, which was just a kind of a clown show in there. And then when the last article came out,

and the other five jurors

spoke and talked about what they termed as potentially cruel behavior to those that asserted

their fifth, obviously you can imagine we have different iterations of this motion. We said it's

time to finalize and file. We've had enough. Okay. You mentioned that. Let's get into the,

what is the evidence and some of the facts here. Here's a little bit of that four-person speaking.

Did the grand jury recommend an indictment of former President Trump? I'm not going to speak on

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