Back in 2013, I went on a retreat in America and I met someone whose work left a lasting imprint on my life.

Dr. Margaret Paul is the creator of inner bonding.

A process that has helped so many people heal the root cause of anxiety, disconnection and emotional pain,

which Margaret calls self-abandonment. And that idea of self-abandonment

stayed with me ever since, and I've seen it in so many of the people I work with too,

especially high performers. We get so good at performing, achieving and fixing, but often at

the cost of listening, feeling feeling and simply being with ourselves.

So in this conversation, Margaret shares the key pillars of the work,

how we abandon ourselves, what it means to cultivate a loving inner adult

and why true flow, healing and connection can only come when we stop outsourcing our emotional well-being and feelings.

Music out sourcing our emotional well-being and feelings. Dr Margaret Paul, it is an absolute pleasure to see you. I haven't seen you in 11 years. How are you?

I'm doing great. How about you, Simon? Yeah, I'm really good, thank you. A lot has happened since I last saw you.

For a bit of context, I think the time I spent with you was really important for me. I found out

about inner bonding, which is your process in 2013, and I came on a retreat with you.

It led on to other things for me,

but a lot of what you talked about has really stuck with me.

For example, it's definitely played a big part in my marriage.

I remember something you said to me.

It really stuck in my mind,

which was in a relationship,

you need to be with someone who is willing to do the work with you. And I was very fortunate that

my wife came with me. Oh, I'm very glad to hear that, Simon. I want to talk about some of the

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