This is Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby, and you're listening to the love, happiness, and success podcast.

That's the track, Healing by pianist Oliver Riz from his album of solo piano pieces called

Beginnings. I don't know about you, but I could listen to that all day. I feel better already.

Conventional wisdom says that we need to love ourselves first and that you should be over any

past relationships before starting a new one. But the reality is that healing our emotional

wounds isn't something that happens all at once.

And a lot of times our wounds occur through our relationships, and they are healed through

relationships.

And to help us unpack all of those big ideas, I have invited my colleague, Paige McAllister,

to speak with us today. Page is a marriage and family therapist on the team here at Growing Self.

And she's also a doctoral candidate in marriage and family therapy. She has a background in so

many relevant things. She has expertise in sexuality,

in interpersonal violence, in trauma, and she has done so much wonderful healing work,

both with individuals and couples on the path to healing on every level. And I am so excited to invite

her into the conversation today to share her expertise with you. So thank you soon to be Dr. Page for

joining us today. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Do you get a little thrill when people call you Dr. Page?

I do. I do.

Hard earned.

We were just chatting a little bit before we started this interview that you are

in the final stages of the dissertation process

and talking about how amazing it's going to feel to be on the other side of that.

So congratulations in advance. That's a big achievement. And you, in addition to that,

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