Healing In Men (Part 2) w/ Dr. John Bishop

Restore The Glory Podcast

Jake Khym

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.9 • 971 Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

This week, Jake and Bob welcome Dr. John Bishop, founder of FORGE, to continue their series on healing in men. John shares his perspective on why so many men today lack a clear picture of what it means to be a good man. He begins with the story of Adam, uncovering God's original design for masculinity—one rooted in work, responsibility, and the courage to engage in the world and the people entrusted to him. From there, he describes the wounds men experience from Adam's fall: fear, shame, and the tendency for men to withdraw, hide, or dominate rather than love. Yet, with Jesus Christ as a model, whose life and sacrifice reveal the true strength of a man, they reflect on how men can recover a living image of faithful, engaged, and restored masculinity.

Key Points:

There is a widespread struggle to engage men in the life of the Church.
A central problem facing men today is the lack of a clear and compelling picture of what it means to be a good man.
Without strong masculine examples in families, churches, and schools, many men turn to cultural voices that offer distorted visions of masculinity.
Adam is the first image of authentic masculinity and reveals a masculine inclination towards responsibility and stewardship.
The Fall reveals a core masculine temptation: disengagement, as Adam remains passive when evil enters the garden.
Fear and shame often drive men to withdraw emotionally or hide behind work, distractions, or performance.
True masculinity requires engagement with both the external world and the interior life of relationships.
Jesus Christ, the New Adam, reveals the ultimate image of masculinity through sacrificial love and radical trust in the Father.
Fathers ultimately help their sons become men by guiding them toward the deeper truth that their identity is rooted in being beloved sons of God.

Resources:

John's Ministry: Forge
New Adam: God's Plan for Men by Dr. John Bishop

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction

07:22 Seeing Our Identity as Son, Brother, Bridegroom, and Father

12:17 What's Going On with Men in Our Current Age?

25:07 Adam: The First Image of Masculinity

35:44 Engaging with the World as a Man

47:38 Learning to Trust the Creator of the Universe

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0:00.0	Welcome to Restore the Glory podcast. I'm Jake Kim. And I'm Bob Schutz.
0:07.8	We're two Catholic ministry leaders and former psychotherapists talking about healing, restoration,
0:12.9	and everything we've learned in our personal and professional lives. And integrating our Catholic
0:17.4	faith into everything that we do. All right, Bob. Let's get into it.
0:23.2	Bob, good to be with you.
0:26.6	We're in our series here on masculinity.
0:32.3	And it was a blessing to have John Edwards with us last time.
0:34.1	And we have another John with us.
0:36.1	We seem to like the Johns on our podcast. But we're continuing on.
0:45.0	And we have our guest, Dr. John Bishop, who's joined us. We seem to like the John's on our podcast, but we're continuing on. And we have our guest, Dr. John, who's joined us. And so welcome. John, welcome to the podcast.
0:54.7	It's an absolute pleasure to be here. And I don't, I don't know if there's visual on this podcast, but I think that this would be your second bald John on the podcast as well.
0:57.6	So that sounds like the listeners can't see.
1:03.0	But John Edwards has the same hairdo as me, which of course comes from a surplus of testosterone.
1:06.0	And I'm happy to be a part of the mancast.
1:07.5	So thanks for having me on.
1:08.4	That's awesome.
1:12.2	As we're looking at Bob with his full head of hair. I must be lacking testosterone.
1:16.1	That's awesome.
1:17.8	John, you and I had the privilege of a meeting when you came on to Francis University to do a talk with, I don't know what we would call her, possibly a mentor, a colleague, Dr. Deborah Savage,
1:30.2	who just I have the utmost respect for, and I know you do as well. Bob, do you know Dr. Deborah
1:36.0	Savage, have you heard of her? I don't. I know some of her work. Okay. No, I know. To me, she is just
1:40.9	a gem of a woman who's doing deep, rich reflections. And so, John, we got to meet
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