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This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batchew with my friend and colleague, Craig Unger,

Dan of Spies, Reagan, Carter, and the secret history of the treason that stole the White House.

Craig and I were at the same gym on the Upper West Side at this time,

and I was often listening to his tales about going from the success of Esquire to the resources available from Newsweek. With bureaus all over the world, as Craig says,

and they want you to go somewhere, you just buy the ticket and go there. This is owned by the Washington Post, makes a great deal of money.

Your editorial meetings, there's a team put together. It's extremely impressive.

Maynard Parker is the editor-in-chief. He hires Craig in a conversation.

John Barry is the head of the investigation in Englishmen.

And they come together and have meetings, and Craig then goes to meet Ben Menashi again, who flies in from Australia.

All is going extremely well. Did you have any sense that it was not going in the direction

you thought, Craig? Not initially. I thought we were all on the same page, and wow, this was the team

that was going to put it all together, and we would be the new sort of Woodward and Birdstein.

That's the way it appeared to be going. And suddenly, about a month or so into it, or five or six

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