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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

He Says Gaza Is a Genocide

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 24 July 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

What does it change to call Israel’s assault on Gaza a “genocide”? Guest:  Omer Bartov, Dean's Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Brown University and author of the op-ed, “I’m a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It.” Another article mentioned in this episode: “The Need to Forget” by Yehuda Elkana Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We've done so many shows about how bad things have gotten in Gaza that I'm not sure how to tell you that things have gotten worse.

1:48.9

But looking around, that's the unmistakable conclusion.

1:55.1

The basics go like this.

1:59.1

This week, more than 100 aid agencies in human rights groups,

2:01.9

including Doctors Without Borders and Save the Children, started warning that mass starvation is spreading across the region.

2:09.0

Some of those starving people are reporters. A photographer for Ajean's France Press told his

2:16.2

bosses, he's so hungry, he can no longer walk.

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