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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

How Dead Is the Department of Education?

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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🗓️ 23 July 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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If Trump follows through and successfully shuts down the Department of Education, what does America stand to lose?  Guest:  Laura Meckler, national education writer for The Washington Post and author of Dream Town: Shaker Heights and the Quest for Racial Equity. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

For the last few months, Laura Meckler from the Washington Post has been trying to understand exactly what's happening at the Department of Education. The problem is that there are not that many people left to tell her.

0:23.8

How often are you speaking to people inside the department?

0:26.7

Are they calling you? Are you calling them?

0:28.7

I mean, there's a little bit of both.

0:30.5

You know, I have a group of people who I try to keep in touch with.

0:34.0

And, you know, some of whom were workers there at the start of the year and are no longer

0:40.1

workers there.

0:42.2

Laura says, things began to really go south back in March.

0:46.5

That's when Secretary of Education Linda McMahon issued this memo, which laid out an overhaul.

0:53.1

It repeated this one phrase, again and again,

0:57.1

final mission. This is our opportunity to perform one final, unforgettable public service to future

1:05.1

generations of students, McMahon wrote. I hope you will join me in ensuring that when our final mission is complete,

1:13.5

we will all be able to say that we left American education freer, stronger,

1:18.9

and with more hope for the future.

1:21.3

The language here is a little strange, right?

1:24.8

It's kind of a St. Crispin's Day speech for civil servants. The implication of a final

1:31.0

mission is you will not survive. Within a few days, McMahon had issued another memo. This one

1:39.5

laid off half of her own staff. Her workers appealed all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the court

1:46.1

ruled last week. People had said, you know, this is essentially trying to close the department without

1:51.8

permission. They're not going to, the department is not going to be able to maintain its

1:55.0

statutorily mandated functions with such a small staff, but the Supreme Court disagreed and said

2:00.5

that they could go ahead

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