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"He Doesn't Understand War"

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2020

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Ruben Gallego says President Trump doesn’t understand war, but the situation with Iran could soon escalate to one. Gallego is a progressive congressman from Arizona and a combat veteran who served in Iraq — stationed at one point at one of the bases struck by Iranian missiles this week. He discusses his experience of war, his insights on the developing crisis, and what he worries about most. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:04.4

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0:08.8

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0:34.0

I'm Isaac Dauver. Well, this is what happens when we take a break.

0:47.7

We left for the holidays, and now it's the new year, and we're talking about maybe being at

0:51.8

war with Iran.

0:53.8

We don't know what will happen next, and neither do many people in Washington who would normally

0:58.6

know more.

1:00.3

So this week we decided to sit down with one of those people.

1:03.0

Someone who can give us some perspective not just on where the president is taking us

1:07.0

but also on the stakes on the ground.

1:09.0

Ruben Giego is a congressman from Arizona who sits on the Armed Services Committee.

1:14.0

He's also a combat veteran who served as a Marine in Iraq.

1:17.0

We sat down in his office on Capitol Hill the morning after Iran's missile strikes

1:21.0

right before President Trump spoke and announced

1:23.5

new sanctions. As we got settled and turned on the mics, we were talking about the

1:27.6

missile attacks. When Geigo was in Iraq, he often came under mortar fire. The experience can be frightening, he said,

1:34.0

but like so many things in life,

1:36.0

it can be insane what a person can get used to.

1:39.0

We should get so much mortifier

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