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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

'He absolutely betrayed me': Steve Schmidt tells all about John McCain

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 13 May 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

This week on “Playbook Deep Dive,” we sat down over Zoom with Steve Schmidt, the architect of the late Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential run, to hear what amounts to an untold chapter of that exhaustively chronicled campaign. It’s a story about regret and disillusionment that we are confident you will want to hear.  Schmidt has long maintained that the roots of Trumpism, which he has spent the last seven years fighting, can be found in the movement that first gathered around Palin in 2008. But Schmidt has always been more circumspect about McCain, his one time hero and the man who actually picked Palin.  Recently, though, he took to Substack to unfurl a surprising new chapter about the legendary senator and his failed 2008 campaign.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

There's an old proverb that I'm sure you've heard before.

0:06.3

No man is a hero to his valet.

0:10.1

Steve Schmidt was not exactly John McCain's valet, but he was the political equivalent.

0:16.3

His closest advisor.

0:18.5

And John McCain was Steve's hero.

0:22.9

Everything about him that was big was big, everything that was heroic was heroic.

0:28.5

McCain, who died in 2018, was one of the most celebrated politicians in modern American

0:33.8

history.

0:34.8

And Steve was the man by his side through the epic 2008 presidential campaign.

0:39.9

He was not a man of moderation, at all.

0:44.1

There were no pastels in there.

0:47.8

It's a story of disillusionment and regret.

0:51.3

Steve played a role in elevating Sarah Palin to the national stage when John McCain

0:56.1

picked her as his running mate.

0:58.6

And over time, Steve came to see Palin and the followers she attracted as the precursor

1:04.0

to Donald Trump and his movement, which, if you know anything about Steve these days,

1:08.9

has been the political force he spent the last seven years fighting against.

1:15.4

As much as Steve has spoken out against Palinism and what he believes he represents, he

1:20.0

didn't challenge the legend of John McCain, the person who actually picked her.

1:25.6

But privately, over the course of the 2008 campaign, he had grown to believe that the gap

1:32.0

between the myth of John McCain and the reality of John McCain was so wide that he could

1:38.4

actually no longer support McCain for president.

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