Let's go now to Jeff, who's listening in New Mexico.

Hi, Jeff.

Hi, Patrick.

So I'm born again Christian for about 10 years now.

I grew up in the Lutheran Church and with a lot of Catholic influence.

My closest family member, my grandma, she was Roman Catholic.

And I know a lot of things like how I was growing up, like that I probably had a lot of influence.

She was one of my biggest influences in my life growing up.

So one of the things that, so I said I grew up and then I actually went to school in Lutheran Church and was confirmed.

All these things.

And one of the things that, as I've grown in my faith, and like I said, became a born-again Christian,

a lot of the things from growing up, I was like, it was a little too much tradition focused instead of, I guess, the word focused,

or as in personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

And so that is one of the things, and I just kind of wanted your take on that.

And we come into relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ, our intercessor.

And I guess, growing up, like, nobody asked me, have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and

Savior? You know, it's just, it was so much, it was kind of assumed, you know, and then you

go through confirmation, and then you get to take your first communion and all these things.

And, you know, like, like I said, I really love your show, and I'm one that's very open-minded, and I like to focus on the things that we have in common, and instead of the differences that we have in about, you know, because I believe there's people of, you know, Roman Catholics and of all different sects or whatever, as long as they've accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, you know, some of the other things, it's, like you said, it can be dogmatic or what have you, but it's not saving or not saving, if you understand what I'm trying to say.

But as in, I just wanted your take on that.

And like I said, how I grew up in as in, it was a little, for me, I'm saying.

And maybe Luther churches, you know, was really a spent on Martin Luther was a Catholic, you know,

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