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Coffee House Shots

Have Labour out-Reformed Reform on immigration?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

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🗓️ 12 May 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Keir Starmer has kicked off what may be one of his most significant weeks in the job with a white paper on immigration. In it, the government details its plan to ‘take back control’ of migration, promising that numbers will fall ‘significantly’ – although no target number has been given. The plan includes the following: English tests for all visa applicants (and their adult dependants); an increase in the residency requirement for settled status from five to ten years; and new measures making it harder for firms to hire workers from overseas, including abolishing the social care visa and raising the threshold for a skilled worker visa.

Many have interpreted the move as an attempt to stem the rise of Reform by beating them at their own game. The Prime Minister gave a press conference this morning to announce the plans. His language marked a sharp contrast with speeches he made upon becoming leader. Gone are the days of ‘making the case for the benefits of migration’ – now replaced with ‘we are becoming an island of strangers’. Are Labour making promises they can’t keep – and are they merely echoing Reform?

Oscar Edmondson speaks to James Heale and Karl Williams, research director at the Centre for Policy Studies.

Produced by Oscar Edmondson.

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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm

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Oskredminton and I'm joined today by James Heel and Carl Williams, research director at the

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Centre for Policy Studies.

0:55.6

Now, Kier Stama has kicked off what may be one of his most significant weeks in the job with a

0:59.4

white paper on immigration. In it, the government details its plan to take back control of migration,

1:04.8

promising that numbers will fall significantly, although no target number has been given.

1:09.7

Now, this is a real changing language from Labour,

1:11.6

and it's been interpreted by many people as a move

1:13.5

to stem the rise of reform by beating them at their own game.

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Let's hear a clip to start with.

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Now, in a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that,

1:22.3

these rules become even more important.

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Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation

1:30.3

that walks forward together. So when you have an immigration system that seems almost

1:36.3

designed to permit abuse, that encourages some businesses to bring in lower paid workers

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