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Coffee House Shots

Are Labour 'pandering' to Nigel Farage?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Politics, Government, Daily News

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🗓️ 13 May 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Keir Starmer has succeeded in keeping immigration at the top of the news agenda for another day – although he may not be happy with the headlines.

After his set-piece announcement yesterday, the Prime Minister is caught between fire from both sides. On the left, he is accused of ‘pandering' to Nigel Farage and even echoing the rhetoric of Enoch Powell’s ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech – with regard to Starmer's statement about Britain becoming an ‘island of strangers’. Meanwhile, Farage has called the Prime Minister ‘insincere’ and ‘playing catch-up’.

Within Labour, some backbench MPs have broken ranks. But it is the quiet, soft-left faction – already uneasy about winter fuel, foreign aid etc. – that will concern the PM most. Might immigration be the issue that forces them to rebel? And is this really a departure for Keir Starmer, or a return to the language of New Labour?

Oscar Edmondson speaks to Isabel Hardman and Danny Shaw, former adviser to Yvette Cooper.

Produced by Oscar Edmondson.

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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

0:48.6

I'm Oscar Edmondson, and I'm joined today by Isabel Hardman and Danny Shaw, former advisor to Yvette Cooper.

0:54.5

And Kirstama has succeeded in keeping immigration at the top of the news agenda for another day,

0:58.8

although he may not be too happy with the headlines.

1:01.7

After his set piece announcement yesterday, the Prime Minister's caught between fire from either side.

1:06.1

In the left corner, he's accused of pandering to Nigel Farage and potentially even echoing the rhetoric of Enoch Powell, while Farage himself has called the Prime Minister insincere and playing

1:15.2

catch-up. Now, Isabel, there was a real change in rhetoric from Labour on immigration yesterday,

1:20.7

but I suppose the biggest question is, do you really buy it? Yeah, that's the really interesting

1:26.5

thing, isn't it? And you don't have to go back

1:28.8

that far in time on Kirstama to find, as the Conservatives have, letters where he is

1:36.0

endorsing a much more liberal line on whether it's illegal immigration or indeed legal

1:40.8

immigration, which is what the subject of yesterday's white paper was. So that's,

1:47.0

you know, there's a kind of sincerity thing here. And there's also, I think, and Danny will

1:53.2

know far better than I about this. There's a difference between Kirstarman and Yvette Cooper

1:58.4

in terms of determination to tackle this. I think from the

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