Hey, pull up a chair. It's tax on tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy.

Murphy.

Murphy, happy Labor Day, post-labor day. We can, I know Labor Day is such a big occasion for you as much of a fan of organized labor as you are.

Back to your minds, Urchin's, enough of this wobbly talk. I saw your tweet and I couldn't have teasing you about it.

Yeah, man. I respect Labor.

Hey, pal, I'm the member of two unions. I'm a dues-paying member of Writers Guild of America West and SAG after it for my good luck.

So I'm right out there in the bank there.

They both privately resent having you in their ranks, but believe me, I get mail.

So, but we are at Labor Day, the traditional sort of turn to the election year.

And this is not news to say that if you look at polling alone, national polling alone, you've got some separation with Joe Biden consistently holding a lead.

Mark Liebovich wrote a piece in the New York Times, you say you may have seen that was a kind of downbeat piece for Biden saying, you know,

he really doesn't have a reason to run other than beating Trump.

Big reason for a lot of Democrats. But it also spoke to the lack of enthusiasm of the crowds and the size of the crowds that Liebovich saw in Iowa.

And, you know, the question is, do you become the inevitable guy to beat Trump if you lose the first two contests?

Yeah, look, I think these national polls are interesting because they give us a whiff of kind of how people are reacting to the smells coming from the kitchen.

But the Iowa outcome, followed by eight days later, the New Hampshire outcome is a hammer blow that's going to blow the national polls up.

So the question is, can Joe find a little romance to his candidacy to make it an interesting crusade, not just the old gray man, slowly crumbles, which is the narrative he has now.

Now he's got time. He's got a lot of people who like him in the party. So he's got stuff to work with.

But the kind of Graham Cracker statue now being chipped away at is is trouble, especially when Elizabeth Warren is giving him what they want.

Romance, a crusade, passion, a selfie, anything they want.

So if I were Biden, I'd be thinking about how to turn my Jonas, which there is affection for into something a lot more interesting.

And I'd be thinking about how to have my comeback in New Hampshire after Warren kills me in Iowa, because nothing works better than a tremendous comeback as hard as it is to do.

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