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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Hasan Piker Is Flirting With the Revolution

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Ross Douthat, News, New York Times, Journalism

4.27.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

The Twitch and YouTube star Hasan Piker understands what pushes people to commit acts of political violence. But does that understanding tip over into appreciation? In this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat and Piker debate why Piker’s post-liberal rhetoric attracts criticism from the right (and results in the occasional platform suspension) and why Americans’ changing attitudes on Israel feed his “revolutionary optimism.”

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0:00.0

From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat, and this is Interesting Times.

0:26.3

Hassan Piker has no filter.

0:31.1

I just want to help people understand, like, nobody takes 9-11 seriously.

0:36.6

Or at least that's the sympathetic way to describe his marathon twitch broadcasts,

0:38.7

which cover everything from the war in Gaza.

0:45.1

It's crazy to me that we treat Israel like this unstoppable force to his workout regimen. I literally eat 1.3 to 1.5 pounds of straight white chicken breast every single day. And I love eggs.

0:53.9

He's a self-proclaimed anti-imperialist Marxist,

0:58.0

who's been called a Joe Rogan of the Left,

1:00.6

and who's compared himself to Rush Limbaugh.

1:03.3

And he keeps getting suspended from his platform, Twitch,

1:07.0

for language that he calls hyperbole,

1:09.8

and other people call incitement.

1:12.5

Is he the future of the American left, part of our cycle of radicalization,

1:18.0

or just another example of how the internet drives everyone insane?

1:23.0

Hassan Piker, welcome to interesting times.

1:26.4

We are living in some interesting times, considering that

1:29.8

it is you, Ross Dowthett, who is interviewing me for The New York Times. I feel like that's very

1:35.4

interesting. Who else? Who else would it be, man? This is a place for the interesting

1:40.7

perspectives of our moment. And I think, I think that's what you represent. And we're

1:46.5

going to get, we're going to get into that. We're going to talk about the Hassan Piker worldview.

1:51.7

We're going to talk about debates about political violence. But I thought we should start because

1:56.4

I know what you do. I'm very tech savvy, obviously. I'm, you know, very online.

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