Has the US really given Ukraine more aid than Europe?
More or Less: Behind the Stats
BBC
4.6 • 3.5K Ratings
🗓️ 1 March 2025
⏱️ 9 minutes
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Summary
As negotiations to end the Ukraine war rumble on, Donald Trump seems equally interested in talking about the past, repeatedly claiming that the US has given much more aid to Ukraine than Europe has, and that Europe’s aid took the form of a loan that they’ll be getting back.
Emmanuel Macron has publicly contradicted the US President - so who’s correct?
Nathan Gower speaks to Taro Nishikawa, project lead at the Kiel Institute’s Ukraine Support Tracker to get the true picture.
Presenter / Producer: Nathan Gower Editor: Richard Vadon Sound Engineer: James Beard
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| 0:34.0 | I'm Nathan Gower, and due to an HR error that I'm not going to question, I am your presenter today. |
| 0:41.4 | This week has been dominated again by the war in Ukraine and the role that the United States might play in bringing it to an end. |
| 0:49.3 | But discussions about the future of the war threatened to be overshadowed by a row about its past. |
| 0:54.7 | Specifically, an argument about who has given more aid to Ukraine to support its war effort, |
| 0:59.9 | the U.S. or Europe? |
| 1:02.3 | This was an argument started by the U.S. President Donald Trump. |
| 1:06.3 | He made some big claims even for him. |
| 1:08.9 | Let's start with the biggest. |
| 1:10.1 | As you know, Europe is given |
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