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More or Less: Behind the Stats

Defence Spending, Rare Earths and Trunk Truths

More or Less: Behind the Stats

BBC

Business, Mathematics, Science, News Commentary, News

4.63.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Has the US really sent Ukraine $350 billion for its war effort? Is a $500billion cut of Ukraine’s rare earth minerals a good deal? How will the UK fund the governments ambitions to raise defence spending to 3%? But most important of all - how many muscles are in an elephant’s trunk?

Presenter: Tim Harford Series Producer: Charlotte McDonald Reporter: Lizzy McNeill Producers: Nathan Gower and Josh McMinn Editor: Richard Vadon Production Co-Ordinator: Brenda Brown

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0:46.3

Hello and welcome to a brand new series of more or less.

0:47.5

Did you miss us?

0:50.0

Did anything happen while we were away?

0:56.4

This week, the Prime Minister, Kirstama, has announced an increase in defence spending, with more to come.

1:00.6

Where might the money come from? And are there hard choices coming?

1:05.7

It's lent, with many people choosing to give up luxuries for 40 days.

1:07.9

Or is it really 40?

1:15.4

The US has demanded $500 billion of Ukraine's rare earth minerals. Does that number make sense?

1:17.5

And I'm told that there are 100,000 muscles in an elephant's trunk, or 20,000, or 17, or

1:26.7

9. We'll get to grips with that at some stage, I hope.

1:31.4

But first. Last week, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenskyy traveled to the White House to meet

1:37.9

the American President Donald Trump. It was an ill-fated trip, which ended in a bitter shouting match,

1:45.0

as Zelensky was repeatedly told to say thank you for the support given to Ukraine by the US.

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