Hello and welcome to Not Another One, the podcast with me, Steve Richards, Tim Montgomery,

Miranda Green and Ian Martin. Thanks so much to Get Living for sponsoring us and we've got so much

to get through in our time together. We're going to reflect briefly and arguably unavoidably

on the terrible dark events that have marked the week beginning in Southport, but spreading in terms of

the violence at night in these long hot summer evenings. But then we're going to spend most of

our time trying to make sense of what Rachel Reeves is up to. Who is she as a chancellor,

as a political figure? And has she pulled off

what she was trying to do this week? It's always a big week when an incoming chancellor

makes his or her first statement. And then a quick look at the conservative leadership contest.

Now we know the candidates.

But first of all, let's begin with the darkness.

And by the way, we're recording this on a Thursday.

Things might have happened tonight as well.

But the fact that we contemplate that shows how serious it is.

Miranda, do you think already we can learn lessons about the hard right, the anger,

the way the anger is triggered by misinformation and how the heck you deal with this,

not least on long hot summer nights.

Well, I think triggering is the right word, isn't it?

Because there's a feeling of sort of underlying, not just unease, but some sort of social disease that has been sort of set off by that horrific, you know, multiple murder of the three young girls and, you know,

a bunch of, bunch of lack of well-understood un-facts spread quickly online about the case

then sort of, you know, provoking this rioting. I mean, I think, you know, if you cast your mind back to the early 2000s, of course, there were, you know, there was rioting across northern towns that we all remember. You know, what you usually get is it calms down. There's a public inquiry. Nothing has ever done about the public inquiry and everyone literally puts it at the back of the cupboard as if it's not a problem that the UK really suffers from.

I think partly what's happened this week is that because the sort of the right seems to be on the march across Europe and also in the shadow of the Trump potential re-election in America, there's a lot of theorising

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