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The Proof with Simon Hill

Has Optimisation Culture Gone Too Far? | Sarah Ann Macklin

The Proof with Simon Hill

Simon Hill

Self-improvement, Education, Health & Fitness, Nutrition

4.9 • 3.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, I’m joined by Sarah Ann Macklin to explore the hidden psychological costs of modern wellness culture and why pursuing health can sometimes leave us feeling more anxious, overwhelmed, and disconnected. Sarah shares insights from her new book, Healthy Shouldn’t Be This Hard, as we unpack self-compassion, perfectionism, body image, mindset, and the pressure to constantly optimise every aspect of our lives. What We Cover Why wellness culture can become emotionally exhausting The difference between self-esteem and self-compassion How mindset shapes long-term health behaviours The psychological side of food, body image, and self-worth Why optimisation culture can backfire Practical ways to build a healthier relationship with yourself I really enjoyed this conversation with Sarah and appreciated her thoughtful, balanced perspective on what genuine wellbeing actually looks like in practice. Pre-order Sarah’s new book, Healthy Shouldn’t Be This Hard, and follow her on Instagram, subscribe to her YouTube channel, and read her writing on Substack. You can also learn more about Sarah and her work on her website. Intro (00:00) What Wellness Culture Is Getting Wrong Right Now (01:16) The Chambermaid Study: How Mindset Changes Your Body (05:48) The Milkshake Study: Your Perception Affects Your Metabolism (07:06) Sarah's Modeling Career, Collapse, and ER Wake-Up Call (09:11) How Social Media Weaponizes Self-Comparison (14:01) Has Optimization Culture Gone Too Far? (17:58) How to Know When Health Habits Become Counterproductive (22:36) Self-Compassion Is a Muscle — Here's How to Build It (27:28) How Common Is Beating Yourself Up Over Health? (30:26) The Chocolate Bar Test: Audit Your Self-Compassion (36:33) How to Reconnect with Your Real Hunger Signals (39:36) The 3-Step Compassion Framework for Eating Decisions (40:57) Discipline vs. Self-Compassion: They're Not Opposites (43:44) The "Friend Filter": The Simplest Self-Compassion Tool (57:12) What Better Wellness Culture Looks Like in 5 Years (01:02:17) Where to Find Sarah's Book "Healthy Shouldn't Be This Hard” (01:04:48) Want to support the show? The best way to support the show is to use the products and services offered by our sponsors. To check them out and enjoy great savings, visit theproof.com/friends. You can also support the show by leaving a review on the Apple Podcast app and sharing your favourite episodes with friends and family. This episode is brought to you by: 38TERA Consider 38TERA's DMN prebiotic supplement a daily multivitamin for your gut. Formulated by yours truly and gastroenterologist Dr Will Bulsiewicz. Use code THEPROOF for a discount at checkout. 38Tera ships to the United States, Australia, and New Zealand. Pique Pique’s Nandaka combines fermented Pu’er tea, full-spectrum Reishi, ceremonial cacao, and L-theanine for calm, sustained energy without the coffee crash. Unlock 20% off and establish your powerful foundation for sustained well-being at Piquelife.com/SIMON. Pique ships within the U.S. and to Australia, Canada, and select EU countries. Eight Sleep Upgrade your sleep with the Pod 5 Ultra by Eight Sleep. Clinically validated to deliver up to 1 extra hour of quality sleep per night through temperature control and biometric tracking. Use code THEPROOF for $350 off at eightsleep.com/theproof. Try it risk-free for 30 days, with worldwide shipping. Eight Sleep ships to the U.S. (excluding Alaska, Hawaii, and territories), Canada, Mexico, most of the EU, the U.K., Australia, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Switzerland. Truemed Truemed helps qualified customers use pre-tax HSA or FSA dollars on health-related products like fitness, recovery, and sleep tools, often saving around 30% on average. Visit truemed.com/THEPROOF to see what qualifies. This is hands down the best way to make the most of your health dollars. SwimClub SwimClub is a science-backed supplement designed to support male fertility, sperm health, and reproductive wellness. Head to swimclub.co to get 25% off your first order with code THEPROOF. WHOOP Whoop, the most advanced fitness and health wearable available. Your personalised fitness and health coach to recover faster, sleep better, and train smarter. Claim your first month free on join.whoop.com/simon. Whoop ships to 56+ international markets, including the US, Canada, most of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, UAE, Singapore, and parts of Asia. Simon Hill, MSc, BSc (Hons) Creator of theproof.com Host of The Proof with Simon Hill Author of The Proof is in the Plants Subscribe & Connect: YouTube Apple Podcasts Spotify Instagram: @simonhill Twitter: @theproof Facebook: The Proof with Simon Hill Nourish your gut with my Plant-Based Ferments Guide and download my Two-Week Meal Plan.

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0:00.0

My guest today isn't going to tell you to stop training, to stop tracking, or stop caring about

0:06.6

all of the biomarkers that you're measuring. She's asking a different question. What is your

0:11.7

inner dialogue like as you carry out these practices? And are you losing yourself and your

0:17.7

self-worth in the wellness behaviours that you're engaging in. Sarah Ann Maclin

0:22.6

is a registered nutritionist. She is the founder of the Be Well Collective, host of Live Well

0:28.7

Be Well podcast, and in her 20s, after years of doing all the right things, she ended up in hospital.

0:35.9

Her thesis is that there is a very important variable

0:39.4

underneath many of these wellness practices that we're engaging in that most of us aren't

0:44.1

measuring, and that is the relationship we have with these wellness practices and more specifically

0:49.9

with ourselves. In her new book, Healthy shouldn't be this hard.

0:54.9

And in this conversation that you're about to hear, Sarah explains how wellness can mask anxiety,

1:00.4

what it's costing the people inside it, and the framework that she uses successfully with clients

1:06.1

to bring more self-compassion into how they show up for their health.

1:10.5

Sarah, welcome to the proof.

1:16.3

So your new book is, it's very much a critique of the way that we're doing health right now.

1:25.9

And the title being a sort of provocation of sorts,

1:30.6

healthy shouldn't be this hard. Why this book and why did you feel like right now was the right

1:36.4

moment to put this out into the world? So I think as soon as I've said that title to people,

1:41.9

they've gone, yeah, it really shouldn't be. And, you know,

1:45.5

you're a nutritionist. You've been in the space for maybe as long as I have or even longer.

1:50.7

We've both been in the space for over 10 years now. And I think you've probably seen health

1:55.1

shape shift quite dramatically in those 10 years. And it seems to be getting more extreme, more exhausting. And we live in an

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