Has Optimisation Culture Gone Too Far? | Sarah Ann Macklin
The Proof with Simon Hill
Simon Hill
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🗓️ 28 May 2026
⏱️ 73 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | My guest today isn't going to tell you to stop training, to stop tracking, or stop caring about |
| 0:06.6 | all of the biomarkers that you're measuring. She's asking a different question. What is your |
| 0:11.7 | inner dialogue like as you carry out these practices? And are you losing yourself and your |
| 0:17.7 | self-worth in the wellness behaviours that you're engaging in. Sarah Ann Maclin |
| 0:22.6 | is a registered nutritionist. She is the founder of the Be Well Collective, host of Live Well |
| 0:28.7 | Be Well podcast, and in her 20s, after years of doing all the right things, she ended up in hospital. |
| 0:35.9 | Her thesis is that there is a very important variable |
| 0:39.4 | underneath many of these wellness practices that we're engaging in that most of us aren't |
| 0:44.1 | measuring, and that is the relationship we have with these wellness practices and more specifically |
| 0:49.9 | with ourselves. In her new book, Healthy shouldn't be this hard. |
| 0:54.9 | And in this conversation that you're about to hear, Sarah explains how wellness can mask anxiety, |
| 1:00.4 | what it's costing the people inside it, and the framework that she uses successfully with clients |
| 1:06.1 | to bring more self-compassion into how they show up for their health. |
| 1:10.5 | Sarah, welcome to the proof. |
| 1:16.3 | So your new book is, it's very much a critique of the way that we're doing health right now. |
| 1:25.9 | And the title being a sort of provocation of sorts, |
| 1:30.6 | healthy shouldn't be this hard. Why this book and why did you feel like right now was the right |
| 1:36.4 | moment to put this out into the world? So I think as soon as I've said that title to people, |
| 1:41.9 | they've gone, yeah, it really shouldn't be. And, you know, |
| 1:45.5 | you're a nutritionist. You've been in the space for maybe as long as I have or even longer. |
| 1:50.7 | We've both been in the space for over 10 years now. And I think you've probably seen health |
| 1:55.1 | shape shift quite dramatically in those 10 years. And it seems to be getting more extreme, more exhausting. And we live in an |
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