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wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the HBR Idea cast from Harvard Business Review.

I'm Sarah Green.

I'm talking today with Harvard Business School Professor Gary Pizano.

His new book, which he wrote with HBS Professor Willie She,

is called Producing Prosperity, Why America Needs a Manufacturing Renaissance.

Gary, thanks much for joining us.

Sir, great to be here.

So Gary, I think what I find appealing about the angle you take in the book is about how

manufacturing is how you tie it to innovation because that isn't so much a partisan

argument as it is a very practical one so tell us about the connection you see

there well the I think what is often on practical one. So tell us about the connection you see there.

Well, I think what is often unrecognized is that in the course of innovating new products,

there's often an awful lot of innovation of the manufacturing technology, the process technologies that go into making it.

And what we tried to draw attention to is the fact that if a country loses its capabilities for

manufacturing, with that can go a lot of capabilities for innovation and it's something that I had

been observing for years in my career in looking at industries like biotechnology

and and others where you know the idea that you do the R&D in one place and

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