Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

trying to impress your niece with a faded backstage pass to AHA's 1989 tour, or else, a scrappy upstart, trying to impress your girlfriend with a limited edition cassette tape you just got from your favorite noise band.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most,

an iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the second Friday of February, 2023, and I thank you for joining us.

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