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WSJ Opinion: Free Expression

Handling Russia in Donald Trump's Second Term

WSJ Opinion: Free Expression

Gerard Baker, Editor at Large, The Wall Street Journal

Society & Culture, News

4.6591 Ratings

🗓️ 23 January 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

This week, the second Trump administration began with a flurry of executive orders and comments from the President about how he plans to approach Vladimir Putin and the ongoing conflict with Ukraine, threatening possible sanctions on Russia if a deal can’t be reached. So what are the prospects for peace, and what is the future for military aid for Ukraine with a Republican majority in both the House and Senate? On this episode of the Free Expression podcast, investor Bill Browder tells Gerry Baker the desperate lengths Vladimir Putin will go to stay in power and conquer Ukraine, what the mood in Europe is like now that Donald Trump has taken office and has tariffs on his agenda, and how the destruction of NATO's credibility could be Putin’s “ultimate prize” to shake up the world order.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

from the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. This is Free Expression with Jerry Baker.

0:08.6

Hello and welcome to Free Expression from the Wall Street Journal. I'm Jerry Baker. Editor at large

0:12.4

of the journal, if you're not already subscribing to Free Expression, please do so at Apple,

0:16.7

podcast, Spotify, or wherever you do your listening. This week, the first week of the second

0:22.7

Trump administration, I find myself in Davos, Switzerland for the annual meeting of the World Economic

0:27.4

Forum. And now while we're over here in Switzerland, of course, events back in the United States,

0:32.4

particularly in Washington, have dominated proceedings. It's fair to say, the mood here is interested, cautious, looking forward

0:40.1

to see what President Donald Trump will do, a lot of nervousness about what he may do in terms of

0:43.9

economic relations, tariffs, also some nervousness about what may happen more broadly with the geopolitical

0:49.4

situation. But of course, one of the early challenges he faces is the war in Ukraine. Of course, he promised

0:56.3

during the election campaign that he would bring an end to the war in Ukraine within 24 hours

1:00.0

of taking office. As we record this today on Thursday, he's missed that deadline. But we do know

1:04.5

that a lot of interesting diplomatic activity has been going on, and it is very much Trump's

1:08.6

ambition to try and bring about an end to that war,

1:15.5

which will have been going for three years next month. And in fact, on Wednesday, he issued what looked like a strong indication of what Trump administration's approach may be to Vladimir

1:21.6

Putin and to the war, saying that while he had a lot of sympathy with Russia and liked Vladimir

1:26.5

Putin and respected him, Russia had lost a lot of people with Russia and like Vladimir Putin and respected him,

1:27.9

Russia had lost a lot of people in that war. The war was becoming increasing drain on Russia,

1:33.1

and Russia had a strong interest in ending the war. But if they didn't agree to some sort of

1:37.5

a deal that would settle the war, then Trump, for the first time, threatened additional

1:41.3

sanctions on Russia, economic and financial sanctions, at least, if not more military assistance for Ukraine. So it's clear that there is

1:47.7

strong diplomatic activity going on. There's an attempt to put some pressure on Russia there

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