Welcome to the Mortification of Spin, the regular podcast of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

I'm here with my regular co-host, Todd Pruitt, the pastor of Covenant Presbyterian Church

in Harrisonburg, Virginia.

And it's also a delight to have, for the first time, as co-hurst, the delightful Amy Bird,

also known as the housewife theologian.

Now, I like to think of Amy as the Pat Benatar of Reform Theology.

And I also have a rock analogy for Todd,

and he's promised that he won't hit me until he hears the explanation of this.

But I like to think of Todd Pruitt as the meatloaf of reformed theology.

I knew it.

No, the reason it's nothing to do with your dimensions, Todd.

Yes, thank you.

But I think that people like to listen to you, but are embarrassed to admit it in public.

So you're saying I'm a guilty pleasure?

That's one way of putting it.

A dark secret sin might be another way of thinking about it.

Well, I'm hoping that my new title gives me better music.

Well, I would think so.

I'm going to have to sing bad out of hell or something.

I still think Dead Ring for Love is. After the Sir Matthews Passion, one of the great moments in Western music.

You have meatloaf and muller, just kind of battling it out to see who's going to be greatest.

My mother told me, when the video for that song came on the TV and Cher was there. I think the share in the video,

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