Hey, hey, and welcome into the House of L podcast. I'm Lawrence Holmes. Thanks so much for hanging out.

We are brought to you by the fine folks over at Remy Martin. Love Remy Martin. Glad that they are part of it and

glad that they continue to support what it is that we're doing. And like I've been telling you,

like outside of the Bears stuff that I've been doing, I've been wanting to talk to some of my

colleagues about some of the cool stuff that they do.

Some of it is inside of their work and some of it has been outside of their work.

When I met Haley, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, she's about to be a star.

Met her through the galvanized program at Laura Oakman.

And I'm like, yeah, so, yeah, I can just expect five years from now she'll be anchoring

Sports Center or she'll be hosting NFL stuff.

But she took a turn in her career where instead of being in front of the camera, she's behind it. So in watching all

of her stuff on Instagram and the stuff that she does for the Detroit Tigers, I was like, you know,

I should probably bring Haley on to the podcast. And she was nice enough to say yes. So here she is.

What's up, Haley Graves? Hello, hello. What a, what a full

circle moment for the two of us right now. I know. And look, I'm not trying to throw shade or

anything like that. It's just that when I first met you, I was like, that's a star. Like,

that I know what a star looks like and that's what a star looks like.

So walk me through it.

What were the things that made you say, I don't want to chase the being in front of the

camera stuff anymore?

I don't necessarily ever think that there is a full hard stop.

I think that I just more evolved as a person.

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